Post by Global on May 8, 2010 21:06:31 GMT
Once again, there's some info from the deleted Internationalhockey.net forum:
Karsten:
Not sure whether the Mongolian hockey championship has been played yet. The championships are usually completed by the end of January.
However, when discussing Mongolian hockey, we must recall its tight connection with bandy (like in the early days of Soviet hockey).
Several of the Mongolian hockey players also play for the Mongolian national bandy team.
In the last week of January, the 2009 bandy world championship was played in Sweden.
I have compared Mongolia's 2009 bandy roster with the 2008 IHWC roster, and here's the list of players who have appeared on both rosters:
* Munkhbold Bayarsaikhan: (1.70 cm/60 kg, born: 1988). Bayarsaikhan was the GK) at the 2008 IHWC, but in bandy, he is listed as field player (mid-field). However, since Mongolia only has one goaltender listet and Bayarsaikhan played with the #1 jersey (usually a goaltender jersey, I presume that he is also Mongolia's bandy goaltender. Which is interesting, since when it comes to goaltending, bandy is a completely different sport from hockey.
* Odsaikhan Tsogtsaikhan (1.68 cm/64 kg, born 1986). Forward at the 2008 IHWC, and mid-field player in bandy.
* Neguut Ganbat (1.71 cm/70 kg, born: 1991). Forward at the 2008 IHWC, but defense player in bandy
* Munkhzaya Enkhtur (1.71 cm/68 kg, born: 1989). Forward at the 2008 IHWC, and mid-field player in bandy.
* Bayarsaikhan Jargalsaikhan (1.72 cm/68 kg, born: 1986). Forward at the 2008 IHWC, and mid-field player in bandy.
* Tamir Bayasgalan (1.80 cm/73 kg, born:1985). Defense player at the 2008 IHWC and mid-field player in bandy.
* Boldbayar Bayajijk (1.80 cm/83 kg, born: 1984). Defense player at the 2008 IHWC, and forward in bandy
Thus 7 out of the 12 players listed in Mongolia's 2009 bandy roster played at the 2008 IHWC.
Ganbat, Jargalsaikhan and Bayasgalan were the scoring leaders of the Mongolian team at the 2008 IHWC. Only Altanegerel produced more points (1 point more), but he didn't play in the 2009 bandy world cup (could be injured). Also, Munkhbold Bayarsaikhan was the starting goaltender at the IHWC (played 288 out of 300 min).
Since its obvious that there is a very close connection between the Mongolian hockey and bandy team, it may be interesting to add some notes on Mongolia's performance at the bandy world championship.
In the Bandy world cup, Mongolia plays in the B-pool with teams such as Canada, USA; Latvia, Estonia, Netherlands, and Hungary. Overall, the team finished second to last, but it did fairly well. In the round robin, Mongolia tied Netherlands and Hungary while losing to the four other teams. In the placement match, however, Mongolia got a huge 9-2 victory over Hungary.
21.01. 2009: Mongolia - Hungary 1-1
1-1 Jargalsaikhan (Bayarsaikhan)
21.01. 2009: Mongolia - Netherlands 2-2
1-0 Chernyaev (Bayajikh)
2-2 Jargalsaikhan
22.01. 2009: Mongolia - Canada 2-15
1-4 Ganbat (Bayasgalan)
2-8 Davaadorj (Jargalsaikhan)
22.01. 2009 Mongolia - Estonia 1-4
1-2 Ganbat
23.01 2009 USA - Mongolia 16-1
14-1 Bayasgalan
24.01 2009 Mongolia - Latvia 2-4
1-3 Bayasgalan
2-3 Jargalsaikhan
24.01 2009, Hungary - Mongolia 2-9
0-1 Ganbat
1-2 Bayasgalan
2-3 Chernyaev
2-4 Bayasgalan
2-5 Jargalsaikhan
2-6 Davaadorj (Enkhtur)
2-7 Jargalsaikhan
2-8 Ganbat
2-9 Davaadorj (Bayasgalan)
Mongolian Bandy scoring leaders:
1. Jargalsaikhan 5+1
2. Bayasgalan 4+2
3. Ganbat 4+0
4.Davaadorj 3+0
5. Chernyaev 2+0
6. Enkthur 0+1
6. Bayajikh 0+1
6. Bayarsaikhan 0+1
Thus, the three dominating players of the Mongolian 2009 bandy team also dominated their hockey team in 2008: Jargalsaikhan, Bayasgalan and Ganbat. I expect them to be players to watch in the Challenge Cup and the IHWC.
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I think you are right about Munkhbold playing as a bandy goalkeeper, he was the GK in last year's Bandy World Championships. Also of note, at last year's Div III IHWC, he wore bandy goalkeeper pads, as did Bazarvaani Baatarhuu in U18.
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Steigs:
A note, Karsten, that I learned from Purevdavaa (the 2007 Mongolian team captain): Mongolian citizens, while they have officially taken family names in the last couple decades, still for the most part keep to the traditional way of using a single name.
Thus, the players you referenced would be named (as per the names on the back of their hockey jerseys): Munkhbold, Odsaikhan, Neguun, Munkhzaya, Bayarsaikhan, Tamir, Boldbayar
My impressions from what I witnessed in '07
Tamir is a very solid defenseman by Mongolian standards: he is certainly the most physical Mongolian player, with a solid point shot and good speed.
Neguun is a solid forward, with some skill, and while he didn't stand out in '07 he certainly seemed to break out last year.
Bayarsaikhan is a very good all-around forward, with good speed, good hands, and a decent shot. He's also not afraid to go into the corners and throw his weight around (no, that was not a joke).
And the one guy we didn't see on the Bandy list that is worthy of mention: Altangerel. This kid is small in stature, but learned hockey in Russia. He's fast. Very fast. He has great puck skill and an accurate (though not hard) shot. He is raw skill, though on any other DivIII level team he would be a pure dangler/playmaker, with a strong finisher to dish the puck to. Still, arguably one of the better talents in Mongolian hockey.
And of course there's the strong veteran presence of Purevdavaa (aka Pujee). He's old enough to not be forced to wear a visor. He's also still one of the top Mongolian players. He's fearless, will take and give hits, skates as well as anyone at the DivIII level, and is apparently indestructible. I don't know how many time I saw him take a high stick, a slash, or a brutally painful hit during the Dundalk tournament, and to my amazement watched him bounce right back to his feet and keep playing. "Heart and soul" is not a cliche with this guy.
And now I am hoping that I'll get a chance to see them all donning the blue jerseys again in Dunedin.
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Didn't Pujee announce his retirement from playing at the Dundalk tournament? I believe his brother is Baasandavaa, who wore number 15 last year in Div III. He doubles as the head of the Mongolian Bandy Federation, much like Purevdavaa working as the president of the hockey federation.
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Steigs:
From what I heard, Pujee wasn't able to make the '08 tournament, but he hasn't retired. I guess we'll see in April..
Karsten:
Not sure whether the Mongolian hockey championship has been played yet. The championships are usually completed by the end of January.
However, when discussing Mongolian hockey, we must recall its tight connection with bandy (like in the early days of Soviet hockey).
Several of the Mongolian hockey players also play for the Mongolian national bandy team.
In the last week of January, the 2009 bandy world championship was played in Sweden.
I have compared Mongolia's 2009 bandy roster with the 2008 IHWC roster, and here's the list of players who have appeared on both rosters:
* Munkhbold Bayarsaikhan: (1.70 cm/60 kg, born: 1988). Bayarsaikhan was the GK) at the 2008 IHWC, but in bandy, he is listed as field player (mid-field). However, since Mongolia only has one goaltender listet and Bayarsaikhan played with the #1 jersey (usually a goaltender jersey, I presume that he is also Mongolia's bandy goaltender. Which is interesting, since when it comes to goaltending, bandy is a completely different sport from hockey.
* Odsaikhan Tsogtsaikhan (1.68 cm/64 kg, born 1986). Forward at the 2008 IHWC, and mid-field player in bandy.
* Neguut Ganbat (1.71 cm/70 kg, born: 1991). Forward at the 2008 IHWC, but defense player in bandy
* Munkhzaya Enkhtur (1.71 cm/68 kg, born: 1989). Forward at the 2008 IHWC, and mid-field player in bandy.
* Bayarsaikhan Jargalsaikhan (1.72 cm/68 kg, born: 1986). Forward at the 2008 IHWC, and mid-field player in bandy.
* Tamir Bayasgalan (1.80 cm/73 kg, born:1985). Defense player at the 2008 IHWC and mid-field player in bandy.
* Boldbayar Bayajijk (1.80 cm/83 kg, born: 1984). Defense player at the 2008 IHWC, and forward in bandy
Thus 7 out of the 12 players listed in Mongolia's 2009 bandy roster played at the 2008 IHWC.
Ganbat, Jargalsaikhan and Bayasgalan were the scoring leaders of the Mongolian team at the 2008 IHWC. Only Altanegerel produced more points (1 point more), but he didn't play in the 2009 bandy world cup (could be injured). Also, Munkhbold Bayarsaikhan was the starting goaltender at the IHWC (played 288 out of 300 min).
Since its obvious that there is a very close connection between the Mongolian hockey and bandy team, it may be interesting to add some notes on Mongolia's performance at the bandy world championship.
In the Bandy world cup, Mongolia plays in the B-pool with teams such as Canada, USA; Latvia, Estonia, Netherlands, and Hungary. Overall, the team finished second to last, but it did fairly well. In the round robin, Mongolia tied Netherlands and Hungary while losing to the four other teams. In the placement match, however, Mongolia got a huge 9-2 victory over Hungary.
21.01. 2009: Mongolia - Hungary 1-1
1-1 Jargalsaikhan (Bayarsaikhan)
21.01. 2009: Mongolia - Netherlands 2-2
1-0 Chernyaev (Bayajikh)
2-2 Jargalsaikhan
22.01. 2009: Mongolia - Canada 2-15
1-4 Ganbat (Bayasgalan)
2-8 Davaadorj (Jargalsaikhan)
22.01. 2009 Mongolia - Estonia 1-4
1-2 Ganbat
23.01 2009 USA - Mongolia 16-1
14-1 Bayasgalan
24.01 2009 Mongolia - Latvia 2-4
1-3 Bayasgalan
2-3 Jargalsaikhan
24.01 2009, Hungary - Mongolia 2-9
0-1 Ganbat
1-2 Bayasgalan
2-3 Chernyaev
2-4 Bayasgalan
2-5 Jargalsaikhan
2-6 Davaadorj (Enkhtur)
2-7 Jargalsaikhan
2-8 Ganbat
2-9 Davaadorj (Bayasgalan)
Mongolian Bandy scoring leaders:
1. Jargalsaikhan 5+1
2. Bayasgalan 4+2
3. Ganbat 4+0
4.Davaadorj 3+0
5. Chernyaev 2+0
6. Enkthur 0+1
6. Bayajikh 0+1
6. Bayarsaikhan 0+1
Thus, the three dominating players of the Mongolian 2009 bandy team also dominated their hockey team in 2008: Jargalsaikhan, Bayasgalan and Ganbat. I expect them to be players to watch in the Challenge Cup and the IHWC.
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Originally Posted by Karsten
* Munkhbold Bayarsaikhan: (1.70 cm/60 kg, born: 1988). Bayarsaikhan was the GK) at the 2008 IHWC, but in bandy, he is listed as field player (mid-field). However, since Mongolia only has one goaltender listet and Bayarsaikhan played with the #1 jersey (usually a goaltender jersey, I presume that he is also Mongolia's bandy goaltender. Which is interesting, since when it comes to goaltending, bandy is a completely different sport from hockey.
* Munkhbold Bayarsaikhan: (1.70 cm/60 kg, born: 1988). Bayarsaikhan was the GK) at the 2008 IHWC, but in bandy, he is listed as field player (mid-field). However, since Mongolia only has one goaltender listet and Bayarsaikhan played with the #1 jersey (usually a goaltender jersey, I presume that he is also Mongolia's bandy goaltender. Which is interesting, since when it comes to goaltending, bandy is a completely different sport from hockey.
I think you are right about Munkhbold playing as a bandy goalkeeper, he was the GK in last year's Bandy World Championships. Also of note, at last year's Div III IHWC, he wore bandy goalkeeper pads, as did Bazarvaani Baatarhuu in U18.
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Steigs:
A note, Karsten, that I learned from Purevdavaa (the 2007 Mongolian team captain): Mongolian citizens, while they have officially taken family names in the last couple decades, still for the most part keep to the traditional way of using a single name.
Thus, the players you referenced would be named (as per the names on the back of their hockey jerseys): Munkhbold, Odsaikhan, Neguun, Munkhzaya, Bayarsaikhan, Tamir, Boldbayar
My impressions from what I witnessed in '07
Tamir is a very solid defenseman by Mongolian standards: he is certainly the most physical Mongolian player, with a solid point shot and good speed.
Neguun is a solid forward, with some skill, and while he didn't stand out in '07 he certainly seemed to break out last year.
Bayarsaikhan is a very good all-around forward, with good speed, good hands, and a decent shot. He's also not afraid to go into the corners and throw his weight around (no, that was not a joke).
And the one guy we didn't see on the Bandy list that is worthy of mention: Altangerel. This kid is small in stature, but learned hockey in Russia. He's fast. Very fast. He has great puck skill and an accurate (though not hard) shot. He is raw skill, though on any other DivIII level team he would be a pure dangler/playmaker, with a strong finisher to dish the puck to. Still, arguably one of the better talents in Mongolian hockey.
And of course there's the strong veteran presence of Purevdavaa (aka Pujee). He's old enough to not be forced to wear a visor. He's also still one of the top Mongolian players. He's fearless, will take and give hits, skates as well as anyone at the DivIII level, and is apparently indestructible. I don't know how many time I saw him take a high stick, a slash, or a brutally painful hit during the Dundalk tournament, and to my amazement watched him bounce right back to his feet and keep playing. "Heart and soul" is not a cliche with this guy.
And now I am hoping that I'll get a chance to see them all donning the blue jerseys again in Dunedin.
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Didn't Pujee announce his retirement from playing at the Dundalk tournament? I believe his brother is Baasandavaa, who wore number 15 last year in Div III. He doubles as the head of the Mongolian Bandy Federation, much like Purevdavaa working as the president of the hockey federation.
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Steigs:
Originally Posted by KazakhEagles
Didn't Pujee announce his retirement from playing at the Dundalk tournament? I believe his brother is Baasandavaa, who wore number 15 last year in Div III. He doubles as the head of the Mongolian Bandy Federation, much like Purevdavaa working as the president of the hockey federation.
Didn't Pujee announce his retirement from playing at the Dundalk tournament? I believe his brother is Baasandavaa, who wore number 15 last year in Div III. He doubles as the head of the Mongolian Bandy Federation, much like Purevdavaa working as the president of the hockey federation.
From what I heard, Pujee wasn't able to make the '08 tournament, but he hasn't retired. I guess we'll see in April..