sjc35
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Post by sjc35 on May 21, 2010 19:27:28 GMT
I believe this coming winters world championship is going to be held in Kazan Russia. I thought I'd start a threat to talk about it and the teams involved.
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Post by Global on May 21, 2010 22:24:29 GMT
Yes, you're right, it will be held in Kazan. This will be the first world championship where a new scheme will be tested - all teams will be divided into 3 groups, not 2 like before:
A. Sweden, Russia, Finland, Kazakstan B. Norway, USA, Canada, Belorussia C. Latvia, Estonia, Holland, Hungary, Mongolia and the rest
BTW, this scheme was proposed a few years ago by the US coach. The goal is to form groups basing on the level of teams in order to exclude results like "17:3", at least in group A.
What do you think of this scheme? I've got mixed feelings about it, f.ex. because Norway is dropped into group B and this is an old bandy country. But even if Norway wins group B, it will go back to it a year later (unless it does impossible and beats Finland). The same vice versa will be true for Kazakstan. But for the sake of an experiment I think it's right to give it a go. And of course it will be a challenge for Americand and Canadians to compete with stronger teams like Norway and Belorussia.
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Post by sjc35 on May 25, 2010 13:54:48 GMT
I think it will be a good move but only for a few years. The A group is fie those teams can all play each other and Finland and Kazakstan can surprise the big 2 some times. Just look at Finland beating Russia in a warm up game for the Worlds 2 years ago.
The B pool will be good as well. The USA will be playing very close games with Norway and Belorussia even if you don't think so. They are a lot closer than some might think. The Canadians will have trouble for the first few years. But it will be great for their program. It will help them grow as they weren't learning anything by beating the other teams so badly.
Hopefully in a a Few years they can move another team up from B and 2 teams up from C. Think playing it this way will help bring all the teams closer together in the long run. I think you could see an A pool with 8 teams in the next 10 years.
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Post by vkom on Jun 29, 2010 13:57:26 GMT
Sorry, but the world championship in Kazan will be the same as before - 2 groups. New scheme (3 groups) are planning to test in World Cup 2012, candidates for the holding of which are Kazakhstan and the USA. This was decided at the congress of the Federation of International Bandy 01/29/2010. www.svenskafans.com/bandy/artikel.asp?id=338267
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Post by Global on Jul 2, 2010 0:25:39 GMT
OK, I didn't know that. Why was the new scheme postponed?
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Post by vkom on Jul 27, 2010 15:11:42 GMT
Armenia is ready to participate in the World Championship in Kazan 27.07.2010 for talks with President FIB Boris Skrynnik delegation arrives from Armenia. The question on the participation of the Armenian national team in World Championship in Kazan. The parties agreed and left to approve the Armenian team as a participant in the World Championship executive committee FIB. www.rusbandy.ru/news/879/
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Post by Global on Jul 28, 2010 0:13:33 GMT
In recent years a number of countries gave promises to send a team to the WC (Lithuania, Poland, Ukraine etc), and where are they... so let's see, whether Armenia will join the infamous "ghost members" group or will seriously start developping bandy in their country. In the latter case expect a section on Armenian bandy in our forum
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Post by vkom on Aug 9, 2010 15:41:03 GMT
Interestingly, once Poland has already participated in the World Championship. fotki.yandex.ru/users/vm1962/view/218294?page=1It was a world championship U-15 in Edsbyn January 27-29, 2006. Poland has played only 2 games and lost both - 0:6 against Kazakhstan and 3:9 against Estonia. Lithuaniya may debut in Kazan. Last weekend, President Boris FIB Skrynnik an official visit to Belarus and Lithuania. Following the negotiations, these countries have given prior consent to participate in the World Cup 2011 in Kazan. www.rusbandy.ru/news/896/
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Post by haldoistheking on Sept 10, 2010 18:40:15 GMT
The 3 group system is the way to go without question. Canada and U.S.A. are much closer to Belarussia and Norway than those two teams are to Sweden or Russia. The U.S. team is right on the brink of beating either Norway or Belarus. They have 4 or 5 guys playing in the midfield and forward at a very high level, and their best player is a top level professional player in Sweden.
The bottom 5 - 6 teams really shouldn't be playing against Canada or the U.S.A. Those matches are all just 10 - 1 wastes of time. They need to learn the basics of skating, passing, and shooting much better to make the next step.
I see a couple very clear divides of talent, and the 3 group system would be right on.
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Post by knuff on Sept 13, 2010 20:37:01 GMT
Nice to see a international forum for bandy! Im split about the World Championships in Bandy. Here in Sweden, it's not taken very seriously. I think most players in Sweden would rather win the Swedish championship with their club team than be world champions with the national team. Im afraid Sweden and Russia will become even better compared to the other teams in the future, since these countries are the only ones that have, and are building more indoor arenas, making the season several months longer. Also, I don't see the point in adding more and more countries. Focus should be put on making the existing countries getting their own national league going. Some of the nations in the proposed C group have been playing in the championship for several years, but haven't really improved at all. haldoistheking: I don't think the US team have any pro players in Sweden. The ones I know of, play in Allsvenskan, Sweden's second highest division.
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Post by Global on Sept 14, 2010 0:54:07 GMT
Hi Knuff, welcome to our board! Bring more Swedes to us, we need them badly! The point about adding more and more countries is only bound to FIB's intention to win Olympic status for bandy - more exposure, money and that stuff. 2014 will be the key year. Well, so that's how we get on board countries like Argentina or Australia. From the long term point of view this is probably right, although I'm not so sure. I tend to think that the focus should be rather put on supporting bandy in countries where it's already well established, first of all Finland and Norway. But it seems that these 2 countries have rather been degressing in recent years. Which is a shame, had there been 4 equal teams, instead of two, world championships would have been much more interesting and unpredictable even with minimum of participants. In any way, I think that bandy needs new blood and new countries who will challenge Sweden and Russia. Otherwise it will mean stagnation when everyone's completely fed up with Russia-Sweden finals. But where will we take these new countries from? That's the question!
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Post by sjc35 on Sept 14, 2010 13:53:35 GMT
But will spliting up into 3 divisions help? Or hurt the development of the game.
Plus does anyone know if any countries that have gone in the past are not going to participate this year. Last year both Belorus and Estonia didn't go.
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Post by knuff on Sept 14, 2010 14:55:43 GMT
Yeah, if Norway and Finland could raise their level a little it would be really good for the sport. What's strange though is that Bandy hasn't taken off at all really in Finland. They somehow miraculously won the WC in 2004, and have many players in Sweden and a few in Russia, but still only have eleven teams in their only division, and a rather small following on top of that. Finland have had a good generation of players, but when they get old, who are going to take their place? The same could be said about Kazakhstan, but they have like one(?) team playing in the Russian league if I've understood correctly.
Norway on the other hand have several divisions in their league and might be a future candidate for the A group in the 3 group system. USA actually have more teams than Finland in their league, but I don't know how serious it is, and if it's just hockey guys playing in it. So they might also be a future A group nation, especially if their players continue to play in Sweden.
I think 3 divisions in the WC would be good, because there would be something for the countries other than Russia and Sweden to compete about, as they try to advance in the divisions and not just play each other again and again. You'd also avoid alot of the 17-1 results.
Regarding teams in WC 2011: I don't know about Belarus and Estonia. But Kyrgyzstan, India and China will be playing bandy in the Asian Winter Games 2011. Does anyone know if they'll play in the WC also?
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Post by Global on Sept 14, 2010 17:18:55 GMT
What's strange though is that Bandy hasn't taken off at all really in Finland. I remember some months ago I spoke to a Finnish guy and he didn't have a clue what bandy was for a thing. Probably it's something regional, am I right that bandy is only popular in the coast area (Swedish speaking?) BTW, in this year's junours (U-19) WC Finland won Russia 1:0 two times, in the group and semifinal - quite a rendition of 2004! ) The Finns lost to Sweden 2:4 in the final. This is a very good result bearing in mind there's only one league in Finland. Yes, Akzhajyk plays in the 1st division. However, the team is from an old Russian town Uralsk close to the Russian frontier, so it's almost a Russian team: en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Oral,_Kazakhstan Same about Mongolia, as far as I remember they used to have a team in one of Russia's lower leagues. Vkom wrote above that Belarus and Lithuania gave a promise to Skrynnik to take part in WC 2011. Don't know about those Asian teams though... to be fair I doubt they will be ready so soon.
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Post by sjc35 on Sept 15, 2010 13:53:25 GMT
Bandy is a regional sport in almost every country. Look how big Moscow is and they can't fill a 30,000 seat arena for the World Finals. I was talking to some Russian's in a shop in Moscow and said I was there for the Bandy World Championships and they thought I was crazy. I then said Russian Hockey and they still had no clue. It's a very regional sport.
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